Computer Recommendation for Rob
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Topic: Computer Recommendation for Rob
Posted By: t3hQuAcK
Subject: Computer Recommendation for Rob
Date Posted: 09/January/2007 at 8:49am
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Well, you told me you wanted a $1000 computer from newegg.com, however, I had to go over it by $400. I will show you a list of components and my rational for deciding them. Motherboard: ASUS Crossfire Socket AM2 nVidia nForce 590 SLI MCP ASUS have been known for years as very high quality motherboards, not to mention the speed and reliability of nVidia's chipsets. The ASUS Crossfire has an abundant amount of slots for PCI, PCI Express 1x and PCI Express 16x. The Crosshair is well-cooled and should allow very good overclocking while retaining its stability. Price: $229.99 Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ 2.6GHz Socket AM2 AMD's integrated memory controller has captured the minds of hardware enthusiasts since the AMD Athlon shocked the market. Although, Intel is now beginning to dominate the market with its newest Core 2 Duos such as the E6600 and E6650 (Conroe), the AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ still has the ability to stand up to them. With 2 x 1 MB caches and a high overclocking ability, this processor can definately stand up to the Core 2 Duos. Price: $289.00 Power Supply: Antec True Power Trio TP3-650 650W Probably the most overlooked component in a system is the power supply, many people end up buying the power supply that came with their case, but I beg to differ. The Antec True Power line has been known for stability and function over fashion. Although the True Power PSU's resemble old PSU's from the early 90's, the True Power line has three voltage lines adding to the stability with a 120mm for lower noise and better cooling. Not to mention that the TruePower will get you where you need to go when you decide to overclock. Price $109.99 Case: Antec Performance One P180B Black Well, cases seem to be a matter of opinion, but going on with Antec's philosophy of function over fashion, I do not see why not to get this case. The P180B is very durable with a main composition of cold-rolled steel even around the HDD bays. The case is spacious with a unique design of the PSU on the bottom and a vent on top. The case also has 3 x 120mm fans for maximum cooling with less noise. Price: $104.99 Video Card: XFX PVT71PUQF3 GeForce 7900GS 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 The 7900GS series, although not as prodigious as the 7800GT nor 7950GT, is something to highly consider. With lower core clock and memory speeds as the GT models, the 7900GS can give you that performance difference and beyond through great overclocking abilities coupled with a lower price. Price: $149.99 Memory: Corsair XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Good memory is important, and with an overclocked system, you do not want to get bottlenecked with the memory. The Corsair has very low CAS latencies and with copper siding for maximum cooling, the XMS2 will get you to your desired speeds. Price: $223.00 Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda ES 320GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s The Seagate Barracuda line is performance at a less price to sum it. A 320GB HD for less than $100  is not bad at all. My Seagate Barracuda is still going strong after 4 years, it is now running as a HD on my server. With SATA technology, the Barracuda should give you speed as well with a long lifetime.Price: $99.99 Monitor: NEC Display Solutions AS700-BK Black 17" CRT Ugh... I hate LCDs to say the least. Despite the fact that they are now beginning to have lower response times, expensiveness overcomes their performance. This NEC monitor is mainly subjective of my own opinion and environment- I have a bigger desk and do not mind the size of it. Price: $119.99 CD/DVD-ROM Drive: Sony 18X DVD±R DVD Burner Black E-IDE/ATAPI Sony has always made good CD/DVD-ROM drives and burners, haven't they? For a low price, this should allow you to burn your pornography at high speeds. Price: $29.99 Keyboard: Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard Very good keyboard, will allow you to warp perfectly when you overclock the polling rates to 1000hz (1ms). If you want to be the king of the ADAD in Planetside, I highly recommend it. It also has a built-in LCD display with USB ports on the keyboard itself also with macro buttons that are programmable through Logitech's keyboard software. Price: $64.99 Mouse: Logitech mx518 USB Well, if you want to warp around with the G15 keyboard, you better be able to aim it as well-- the mx518 should allow you to do this perfectly. Again, when overclocked to 1000hz refresh rate, at 1600DPI, and low sensitivity, you are practically invincible. Just get a good mousepad to accommodate the lower sensitivity. Price $39.99 Well those are the best recommendations I can give you Rob. They are based upon my new computer and experience in the past. I look for performance, stability and longevity above all at a lower cost, I do not care for silly LED lights or lighter components. This system should give you very high performance when everything is overclocked and tweaked coupled with stability that these components offer. The total price came to $1433.92, but expect to pay more with shipping, yet they should give you a deal on that. The extra slots on the motherboard will allow upgrades easily in the future with the PSU offering enough wattage for them. |
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Posted By: P00Lsin
Date Posted: 09/January/2007 at 10:25am
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wow, thanks equack jesus you go in depth for me, i'll just need to save up the money, or get my parents to buy it, thx. Just a quick couple of questions tho. 1. Are you sure that that AMD processor is the most optimum for my budget? I mean couldn't I get a less expensive Intel Core Duo for less without sacrificing too much performance? And aren't Intel's Core Duos better anyways? Is Core 2 Duo a quad core or is it a dual core? (i'm thinking quad core atm) 2. and what do you mean newer LCD are having refresh rate issues and stuff? 3. also do i really need a 650w power supply? wouldn't i do fine with just a 420/450w one? 4. also would i do fine with just 1gig of ram or do you extremely stess upon getting 2gigs?? 5. Also i really don't need that much hard drive space, is there like a 100-160 GB hard drive at like half the price? i mean 320 gigs for 100 dollars makes me happy but idk. 6. and lastly, if i get a DVD/CD Burner shouldn't i also get a DVD/CD Drive? just incase my burner burns out and i need something as a back up? |
Posted By: t3hQuAcK
Date Posted: 09/January/2007 at 11:28am
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To answer your questions:
1. AMD Processors give you more performance for the price. If you wanted to get an less expensive Core 2 Duo, you can but you sacrifice performance. I could recommend a less expensive AMD X2 processor, however with the rebate I find that a very good deal. Its hard to find 2 x 1mb caches with AMD processors.
2. LCDs have been known to have refresh rate issues, meaning they have lower refresh rates (the time it takes for them to update a frame in milliseconds). Thats why LCDs have never caught onto the gaming world. The newer LCDs, though more expensive, have 2ms refresh times (500hz). I would rather spend less money on the CRT than pay more for a good LCD, CRTs have good refresh rates already.
3. Possibly, I looked at getting a 430 or 500W TruePower Trio for you, but with the rebates on the 650W model, it is almost the same price. You may be considering placing future components in your computer (i.e. dual video cards) and could use the extra wattage.
4. Well during peak times in Planetside, you usually use around 1.5 GB at the most. If you want to farm, you should opt for 2 GB of RAM despite the increased price.
5. Yes, you could get less hard drive space. I was just making sure you had enough room to place your gay porno on.
6. You could get another cheap CD/DVD-ROM drive if you wanted. I just wanted to cut some costs, and I do not see CD/DVD-ROM drives as a first priority.
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Posted By: Goffin
Date Posted: 09/January/2007 at 1:23pm
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[QUOTE=t3hQuAcK]To answer your questions:
1. AMD Processors give you more performance for the price. If you wanted to get an less expensive Core 2 Duo, you can but you sacrifice performance. I could recommend a less expensive AMD X2 processor, however with the rebate I find that a very good deal. Its hard to find 2 x 1mb caches with AMD processors.
I call bullsh*t on this one but other than that it was a good read. ------------- Ball punching for Teh Win! 
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Posted By: t3hQuAcK
Date Posted: 09/January/2007 at 2:43pm
| Well... I may have made a hasty generalization when comparing Price vs. Performance with Intels and AMDs. AMD has always been my preference when overclocking, never really got into Intels. Its hard to compare each processor side by side with architectural differences, but I could make a case for AMD. |
Posted By: Bhopx
Date Posted: 09/January/2007 at 3:39pm
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core 2 duo ftw. better processor and the X2s have way too many problems with games from what ive read, even if you use the fix. E6600 is what i would go with if i was building a new system. Most benchmarks ive seen have E6600 beating FX-62 most of the time. if you want a real bang for your buck processor than get a Pentium D805, its like $90 and has very good overclocking potential because it uses a high multiplier. Tomshardware was able to get it to 4 ghz stable on watercooling, but even if you dont want to mess with that you could probably get it to the mid-3ghz range on air coolers like thermaltake big typhoon or zalman. ------------- 
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Posted By: AquaNox
Date Posted: 09/January/2007 at 3:57pm
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Posted By: Fidelio
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 2:48am
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for power supplies, i can't fault you on choosing antec, but i'd take a long serious look at the seasonic s12, or enermax liberty (for modular cables). no way in hell i'd buy a crt these days. i went from a $1000 crt to an lcd you can buy today for $200 and i much prefer the lcd. imo samsung is the only brand to look at. for optical discs, there's no reason today to buy anything but a dvd burner, and there's no reason to spend much on it. i used to be a plextor die hard then had a drive crap out. now i buy liteon. cheap, reliable, expendable. i have 3 amd machines and 3 intel in my house atm. all the newer ones being amd, and even i will say the current crop of core 2 duo chips outdo amd without question. just make sure you buy one of the low power versions. the p180 is a nice case, but huge. need to make sure your power supply cables will reach. lastly, whey recommed a crossfire mobo and an nvidia card? personally, i'd suggest buying an antec sonata case which has a decent power supply, buy a cheaper keyboard, and that'll save you bout $160 you can put towards a 19" crt and a dx10 video card. you can always get a better power supply later if you need and it didn't cost you anything extra to start with. |
Posted By: P00Lsin
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 7:47am
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Originally posted by AquaNox *Looks at termonology...leaves* lmfao i feel the same way some times but anyways, would someone else like to make a computer for me? including all specs (including keyboard, mouse, and monitor) and try to keep it under $1000, or someone give me a site that will build it for me and that has reasonable prices and are good. (i already know of cyberpowerinc.com and ibuypower.com) plz and ty |
Posted By: P00Lsin
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 11:17am
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X-Discovery Mid-Tower Case 420W W/ WINDOW & LCD Temperature Display (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6400 CPU @ 2.13GHz 1066FSB 2x1MB L2 Cache EM64T LiteOn SHM-165H6S 16X Double Layer DVD+-RW Super Allwrite + Lightscribe Technology CoolerMaster Liquid CPU Cooling Fan System Kit + 2 EXTRA CASE FANS 160GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 8MB Cache 7200RPM HDD Logitech Deluxe 104 PS/2 Keyboard Logitech MX518 Gaming-Grade Optical Mouse 17" TFT Active Matrix LCD Display Monitor Asus P5N-SLI nForce 570 SLI Chipset LGA775 Supports Core 2 Duo CPU FSB1066 DDR2 Mainboard w/GbLAN,USB2.0,&5.1Audio 2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition w/ Service Pack 2 NZXT PF-500 500Watt Power Supply NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 256MB 16X PCI EXPRESS VIDEO CARD all for $1377 how does that look? at cyberpowerinc.com w/o shipping OR X-Discovery Mid-Tower Case 420W W/ WINDOW & LCD Temperature Display (Sckt775)Intel® Pentium® D 805 Dual-Core CPU @ 2.66GHz 533FSB 2x1MB L2 Cache EM64T LiteOn SHM-165H6S 16X Double Layer DVD+-RW Super Allwrite + Lightscribe Technology CoolerMaster Liquid CPU Cooling Fan System Kit + 2 EXTRA CASE FANS 160GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 8MB Cache 7200RPM HDD Logitech Deluxe 104 PS/2 Keyboard Logitech MX518 Gaming-Grade Optical Mouse 17" TFT Active Matrix LCD Display Monitor Asus P5N-SLI nForce 570 SLI Chipset LGA775 Supports Core 2 Duo CPU FSB1066 DDR2 Mainboard w/GbLAN,USB2.0,&5.1Audio 2GB (2x1024MB) PC4200 DDR2 Dual Channel Memory Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition w/ Service Pack 2 NZXT PF-500 500Watt Power Supply NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 256MB 16X PCI EXPRESS VIDEO CARD for $1195 w/o shipping, at cyberpowerinc.com |
Posted By: Bhopx
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 2:48pm
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personally, i wouldnt go with an LCD monitor. I've seen even a 2ms Viewsonic LCD monitor have ghosting with FPS games unless v-sync is turned on. id rather go with CRT for gaming.
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Posted By: Preach
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 2:55pm
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Not sure what kind of LCDs you've seen Bhop... but they must have been crappy ones. I use a 20" Samsung SyncMaster 204B for gaming... and this thing is a beast. There isn't any ghosting at all. A couple other 1CMM members have the same monitor and they love it.
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Posted By: Bhopx
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 3:01pm
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i know two people that got this monitor which is supposed to be the best possible LCD for gaming. both had ghosting with FPS games, one returned it and got a CRT instead http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116375 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116375 -------------
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Posted By: Bhopx
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 3:11pm
i guess that config on cyberpower is a decent price, this is what i configured on newegg
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Posted By: Fayaz
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 3:32pm
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I'd also go for a 6600 over an X2. On paper, AMD seems the way to go. In reality, however, the X2 seems to cripple for some pc titles. Unreal & Quake engine based games are almost unplayable. Whether the performance loss is due to the developers or poor instruction handling on the CPU is irrelevant, it's a great processor and a great value for applications/rendering/what-have-you, but the Core 2 Duo still rocks for gaming. ------------- 
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Posted By: Preach
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 3:37pm
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Well... I'm here to tell you Bhop that the Samsung SyncMaster 204B has no ghosting when gaming. I love this over my ViewSonic 19" CRT.
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Posted By: Bhopx
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 5:23pm
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yeh elcyco got an X2 and he tells me that when he uses the dual core optimizer he gets horrible mouse lag and sluggish controls in UT, and if he turns it off BF2/2124 is unplayable. Ive got an athlon 64 3700+ and was thinking of upgrading to an X2 eventually but ive heard about them having way too many problems with games. i would go with E6600 on the high end or pentium D805 for overclocking on the low end. -------------
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Posted By: Bhopx
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 5:25pm
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Originally posted by Preach Well... I'm here to tell you Bhop that the Samsung SyncMaster 204B has no ghosting when gaming. I love this over my ViewSonic 19" CRT. well, this is the monitor that i was eyeing, maybe ill give it a go someday. It's $100 less than the one you have. any words of wisdom on using an LCD for gaming fayaz? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824001088 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824001088 -------------
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Posted By: [Hoe]
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 5:54pm
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Originally posted by Preach
Not sure what kind of LCDs you've seen Bhop... but they must have been crappy ones. I use a 20" Samsung SyncMaster 204B for gaming... and this thing is a beast. There isn't any ghosting at all. A couple other 1CMM members have the same monitor and they love it. I got 2 of the 19" 930B but I recentlt got the westinghouse lcm-22" wide screen. I have not had any problems with any of them. When I bought the westinghouse I was a little worried about gaming (bought it mainly for detailing on autocad) but it plays Planetside just fine. Only small problem is Planetside not supporting the widescreen resolutions. I have to manually set the resolution in the machine files and any time I go into the settings it reverts to 800x600 so I have to exit out and reset the machine file. ------------- 
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Posted By: Fayaz
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 6:51pm
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I was always partial towards classic monitors because they had superior colour calibration tools, refresh rates and response times, and at the time, LCDs were blurry, had an ugly yellowish tint and simply weren't bright enough.
But they've come a long way over the years. You certainly get what you pay for, though bargains exists, and you don't always have to go for designer brands.
I have two wide-22" at work and a 19" back at home, and I love 'em. For PS and gaming, I play on a laptop. Laptop displays are arguably inferior to today's LCDs, and even that works just fine.
More importantly, you'll save tons of desk space... I now have room for my teddy bear collection and such. -------------
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Posted By: Preach
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 6:57pm
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Originally posted by Fayaz I now have room for my world domination plans and such. Fixed. ------------- |
Posted By: [Hoe]
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 7:00pm
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Yea I bought a laptop that plays planetside pretty good and it has a 17" wide screen. When WubbaDong comes over he plays on it and its what I cart to his house now so I dont have to haul a tower and monitor -------------
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Posted By: Bhopx
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 7:09pm
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you play PS like you do on a laptop fayaz? at least tell me that you hook up an external keyboard and mouse to it so i dont feel too inferior...
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Posted By: Navus
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 8:27pm
| if i had to play ps on my laptop's touch pad i would shoot myself. It just takes time to get used to the extra keyboard stretch. |
Posted By: P00Lsin
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 8:53pm
| i like your setup Bhop, the only problem is i saw no monitor or keyboard. i'm guessing it would go over 1grand if i added those to the 880 price tag... |
Posted By: Fayaz
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 9:09pm
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Originally posted by Bhopx
you play PS like you do on a laptop fayaz? at least tell me that you hook up an external keyboard and mouse to it so i dont feel too inferior... Mouse, of course.
 Keyboard, nope.Was used to the arrow keys for flying/fighting, but had to learn to use WASD since the compact keyboard puts the those keys in the bottom right corner.
It runs PS pretty well, that is, at Low/Med, which is how I've always played. But it's a step ahead of the sh*tbox I used up until last year. Piece-of-crap P4 (1st gen, 400Mhz bus, socket 423), 1.4Ghz, 512mb RDRam (Rambus.. lol.. old skool), 128mb video card.. good times.. good times.. -------------
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Posted By: Preach
Date Posted: 10/January/2007 at 9:16pm
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RAMBUS IS THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE!
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Posted By: akribitz
Date Posted: 11/January/2007 at 3:28am
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I would wait for more Direct X 10 cards to come out b4 you go and splurge on a new Video card
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Posted By: P00Lsin
Date Posted: 11/January/2007 at 7:39am
| when is that reportedly gunna be |
Posted By: t3hQuAcK
Date Posted: 11/January/2007 at 9:04am
Personally, I do not like companies that build computers for you like CyberPower Inc. My sister decided to get a computer there and she ended up with poor service and not many choices to choose from. The problem with the computer you built on their website mainly lies in the power supply, the ones listed there are inferior in my opinion. The power supplies they listed really do not have any quality, I especially hate the Aspire's and think they are crap-- They only have 1 +12V rail, and really have been not known for sustained performance coupled with stability. I can't really fight off the Intel zealots, but I can say the truth lies in the specs  . Long live AMD! Death to those hyperthreaded pencil-necks.
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Posted By: solitary00
Date Posted: 11/January/2007 at 10:35am
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Originally posted by Preach RAMBUS IS THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE! Hahahaha... REMEMBER HOW WE USED TO HAVE TO MATCH PAIRS OF SIMMS? LET'S BRING THAT BACK! Great idea... ------------- -bullet buffer- 
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Posted By: Bhopx
Date Posted: 11/January/2007 at 12:36pm
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i remember my old dell that i first played PS on had RDRAM, what a POS.
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Posted By: Bhopx
Date Posted: 11/January/2007 at 12:38pm
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Originally posted by P00Lsin i like your setup Bhop, the only problem is i saw no monitor or keyboard. i'm guessing it would go over 1grand if i added those to the 880 price tag... only thing i dont like about the cyberpower setup is the no name power supply and the unnamed ram. ram isnt THAT big of a deal but PS definitely is, you really want a PS that you know is solid. -------------
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Posted By: Bhopx
Date Posted: 11/January/2007 at 10:26pm
apparently the core 2 duos are pretty good overclockers as well, with people getting 3.4ghz+ out of even the entry level E6300 on air cooling. I'm glad im broke so i dont feel too compelled to put together a core 2 duo system  good article from tomshardware http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/11/core-2-duo-overtakes-core-2-extreme/index.html - http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/11/core-2-duo-overtakes-core-2-extreme/index.html -------------
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Posted By: Interpol
Date Posted: 15/January/2007 at 7:26pm
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Well, I have a Core 2 Duo e6400 (stock @ 2.16 GHz), and with the Asus P5B Deluxe, you can basically push that CPU to 2.8 GHz with stock cooling, or 3.2 GHz with an added cooling fan. Though I haven't bothered with overclocking yet, as I'd have to update my BIOS, it has loads of overclocking potential. It absolutely destroys any current AMD processor (overclocked or not) at any of those overclocked frequencies, and for $200, not a bad deal. |
Posted By: Goffin
Date Posted: 16/January/2007 at 6:28am
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Hi Sexy! ------------- Ball punching for Teh Win!
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Posted By: Interpol
Date Posted: 19/January/2007 at 6:12pm
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Originally posted by Goffin Hi Sexy! HI |