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Quote Stairway Replybullet Posted: 23/October/2006 at 8:57pm
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You dont like the candidates so you are willing to leave it up to someone else to decide for you? Lame.


If I dont like any candidate, and if I dont believe any of them would further our country in a good way, I should just vote to vote... thats lame.
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Quote Tybox Replybullet Posted: 23/October/2006 at 9:21pm
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Originally posted by AquaNox

 
You dont like the candidates so you are willing to leave it up to someone else to decide for you? Lame.


If I dont like any candidate, and if I dont believe any of them would further our country in a good way, I should just vote to vote... thats lame.
 
Best to learn lesser of two evils concept, as lame as it is.
 
One or the other IS going to get in-which one do you dislike the most is the question? At least then you can do something.
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Quote NakataH Replybullet Posted: 23/October/2006 at 10:05pm
my not voting is not really a protest..

my 1 vote is not going to matter, i know this and thats why i dont bother "if everybody had that attitude blah blah" but they dont and im content not voting

its just one less thing that i have to worry about.

if i were forced to vote it would be for a lesser party so my vote would mean sh*t anyway
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Quote AquaNox Replybullet Posted: 23/October/2006 at 10:35pm
Well then as Fid said, you have no right to complain about any government if you're not even willing to do what little you can to change it, especially if it's just based off of pure laziness.
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Quote Stairway Replybullet Posted: 23/October/2006 at 10:43pm
Originally posted by AquaNox

Well then as Fid said, you have no right to complain about any government if you're not even willing to do what little you can to change it, especially if it's just based off of pure laziness.


Aqua I dont know if you were talking to me or Nak or both of us but I can assure you Im not voteing because of laziness.  Believe me if there was a candidate that I truly respected and thought could help this country, I would back him 100% and would definatley vote for him.   Like Barack O'bama, most of you wont know of him hes a senator but he is considering running for the 2008 election.  I agree with most his ideas/solutions for the issues and problems facing this country.  If he ran I would definatley support him.
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Quote Jbanicar Replybullet Posted: 23/October/2006 at 11:08pm
I guess it's the same old high school attitude; if the generaly opinion is one thing, then it's best to jump on the bandwagon to avoid offending your friends.  But you know what? that's ok, you do what you want, and believe what you want.  Nak, you are on to something in what you're saying: you're American, so you don't see it, you are easily lied to, you are blind, but how about the other way around, you're not American, and you have come to believe what you choose to believe, not based on anything factual, but just on hear se and personal bias. 
 
You talk about what the world belives, but you cannot honestly say you know what the entire world thinks.  Reading conspiracy theory sites and watching the news does not inform you any more than hearing it from a friend and believing him blindly.  The news captures a sound bite, a moment in time, and they show mass protestes on every issue, not just Bush, and you see that and think that's the world.  You read what I type, and ASSUME that I AM backing Bush, when all I was doing was pointing out BASELESS accusations.  Have you ever debated, like an honest debate?  You can't come to the table with "You're deaf, blind, and dumb" and expect anyone with a hint of common sense, to listen to you.  I was not backing Bush, and I was not saying that I agreed with ALL of Bush's policies, that was, again, your assumption, and your following replies show that you assume more than you think.  This is evident in how you copy/past everyone a piece of the Plege of Alliegence, when in England's own national anthem, they talk about God Save the Queen, and the majority of English people sing that with great national pride.  Don't come to me and talk about religion and show me my own pledge of alliegence, and then point a finger at me like I came to you thumping a Bible and yelling "GO BUSH!"
 
Every country, every nation has national pride, not just America; we are just the super power, the world's main producer of entertainment (movies, music, art, everything), so we are the easiest to spot.  Honestly, when are we not in the news?  New music, us, a new movie, us, etc, and yet you fail to recognise the diversity that we represent.  We are the world; an American is not an nationality of its own, it is just a conglomerate of the world.  English, German, Dutch, Spanish, Chinese, African, Lebanese, name any nationality, and you will find it here.  And to say that Americans have no understanding of the world is close minded. 
 
You must have a limited understanding of how the government works, its many different levels, organizations, representatives, its powers,  and the decision making process, to focal it all down to hatred against Bush.  All Bush is, is a name for you to wrap everything that you believe against a very easy person to take cheap shots at.  Honestly, how hard is it to attack Bush?  lol, this is sort of like picking on the lone Goth kids in high school.  How hard is that? and you're going to use "world hate" as a way of saying that all of the world are intelligent, smart people, who are informed, educated, and reasonable?  Have you looked around in your own country lately, and seen anyone that perfect?  I bet not, and you won't find those perfect people out in the world, either. 
 
Don't slant hate and insults with common sense, brand it with "THE WORLD", and bring it to me saying, oh look, see, they must be right... since when has the majority opinion ever been informed and correct?  Put it this way, if I come to you, and I say, in a loud voice, with many people around me (who are also saying similar but differently worded statements, at the same volume, in their own meaning and way and understanding), "You are a KILLER! You like Asian porn! YOu are Sweedish! You want to learn how to speak Arabic!! Bastard!" and 1/4 of those poins are factual, does that make me correct? or worth listening to? that is a far out example, but I am simply saying, just cause you see a large group, doesn't make them any more right than the next group, nor does news covereage.
 
You know what; I take pride in my country, as does any other common person take in their own nation.  It doesn't matter where you go, and if I feel patriotic when I hear the national anthem, good for me; I'm not preaching, and I certainly am not thinking, "Yeah, I'm better than Mongolia, suck it bitches."  that's your opinion, but that is not factual. 
 
I like Obama as well, Stair; I'm not exactly sure what he supports, but he comes across with a very even headed individual.  I'll have to look more into it in the coming future.
 
 
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Quote AquaNox Replybullet Posted: 23/October/2006 at 11:28pm
Originally posted by Stairway

Originally posted by AquaNox

Well then as Fid said, you have no right to complain about any government if you're not even willing to do what little you can to change it, especially if it's just based off of pure laziness.


Aqua I dont know if you were talking to me or Nak or both of us but I can assure you Im not voteing because of laziness.  Believe me if there was a candidate that I truly respected and thought could help this country, I would back him 100% and would definatley vote for him.   Like Barack O'bama, most of you wont know of him hes a senator but he is considering running for the 2008 election.  I agree with most his ideas/solutions for the issues and problems facing this country.  If he ran I would definatley support him.
 
I was talking to Nakatah regarding laziness.  Either way, not voting still shows that you're not motivated enough to try and change things, whether you want to or not, it still requires a vote to nudge it in your favor.  Even if you consider it an insignificant drop in the bucket, why not do what you can to elect the person who is most agreeable with you?  Personally, I find it disrespectful not to vote, but it's your right not to.
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Quote Tybox Replybullet Posted: 24/October/2006 at 5:30am
Jban pwns.
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Quote Tybox Replybullet Posted: 24/October/2006 at 5:35am
Originally posted by NakataH

my not voting is not really a protest..

my 1 vote is not going to matter, i know this and thats why i dont bother "if everybody had that attitude blah blah" but they dont and im content not voting

its just one less thing that i have to worry about.

if i were forced to vote it would be for a lesser party so my vote would mean sh*t anyway
 
YOu my friend, should look into the word "principle."
 
I'm also rather cynical myself about the whole election process, but....you realize basically your grandparents and ours died to defend those rights to free elections? Ya know, a little ditty called WW2, where the Nazis were bombing the sh*t out of London, and the Japanese were making us nervous on the west coast.
 
WW2 was not as altruistic as some rose colored glasses may paint, but it sure as hell was more to the point and dire than the current Iraq debaccle. There was a serious threat to the free world from the Axis war machine, and for that, I feel honored my grandparents served.
 
I think England and the US STILL share this special bond from their days of WW2 pwnage, and I am proud of our work together.
 
So out of honor of those fallen, I think you may want to reconsider your stance.
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Quote NakataH Replybullet Posted: 24/October/2006 at 7:55am
Originally posted by Tybox

 YOu my friend, should look into the word "principle."
 
I'm also rather cynical myself about the whole election process, but....you realize basically your grandparents and ours died to defend those rights to free elections? Ya know, a little ditty called WW2, where the Nazis were bombing the sh*t out of London, and the Japanese were making us nervous on the west coast.
 
WW2 was not as altruistic as some rose colored glasses may paint, but it sure as hell was more to the point and dire than the current Iraq debaccle. There was a serious threat to the free world from the Axis war machine, and for that, I feel honored my grandparents served.
 
I think England and the US STILL share this special bond from their days of WW2 pwnage, and I am proud of our work together.
 
So out of honor of those fallen, I think you may want to reconsider your stance.



thank you for proving my point
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