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Quote Interpol Replybullet Posted: 06/August/2007 at 1:52pm
Currently, it's necessary to have had WMD's in Iraq, as the war is unpopular at the moment. Had there actually been cause for us to go in (we thought there was, but that was based on faulty information), the war might have been in a much more popular state, and the President's approval ratings may have gone above 30 percent.

The real conspiracy is that the administration altered the intelligence to fit their agenda, and gain traction for going into Iraq. They couldn't even do that, as it was clearly revealed by every politically focused program.

Besides, why wouldn't the government reveal that they had found WMD's?  Do you think the government killed it's own people to purposely create an unpopular war, and destroy their own party's advantage in seating, both in the House and the Senate? Think, no really, think--what was there to gain?

You're throwing a lot of articles/links around, but none by credible resources. There's a reason why it's better to read the major newspapers--because they are often fact checked and thus keeping the integrity of their articles. Yes, there are instances where you can't rely on even many major news outlets--it isn't perfect--but it's far more reliable than something on YouTube.

Please don't use Ann Coulter as a source of information. She's not credible in any way (she isn't bipartisan and isn't a journalist).

One last thing, let me ask you, do you think that the BBC was given information on 9/11 beforehand? Then they fucked up on their reporting, and had accidentally reported in advance? Doesn't it make more sense that they just had wrong information at the time of the report?

You've created a theory, and are finding facts to support that theory. Instead, what you should be doing is looking at the facts (all of them), and seeing where it points to.

Logic doesn't hurt either.
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Quote Verdant Force Replybullet Posted: 07/August/2007 at 1:51am

First off,clearing up 2 mistakes in my post...

 i was makin fun of her for beleiving (allong with 20% of americans) that they DID find WMD's in iraq, she is not alone... i do not beleive she is a credible source of info, and i was obviously poking fun at her.
 
and i was saying i AGREE with BBC that they made a mistake, there was a TON of confusion going on that day, and i seriously dont doubt it was just a mistake. ( hence why i put it after saying 'i dont beleive every crazy story out there' )
 
as for logic... when has anything Bush and Cheney done EVER made sence?
 
as for the credibility thing, yeah ok, il agree, allot of it is skethcy. but that pilot for truth used information given out by NIST, the 911 commision report people, and other official sources for their comparisions. and in fact, they actualy use footage provided by them in some of the comparisons.
 
plus, allot of the things i have presented are from the verry people that where there that DAY, sorry if i find them more credible then people afterwards, who make up stories that the 'explosions' where the cause of exploding power boxes, when there WAS no power in the towers after the planes hit.
 
you want logic? here is 2 quick things that are somewhat hard to notice, but once you see it, you know somthing weird is going on...
 
 
 
 
i know you have all seen this picture, it was pasted on allot of front pages back in the day... look at the metal beam in the second white circle, this is steel, 4 inches thick, cut like a hot knife throu butter, and there is even residue from somthing around the outside of the beam... now yes, i think metal beams would take damage in sutch a collapse, but, this beam is not 'damaged' it is not warped, or bent in any way, it is 'cut' if it would have been done by another object falling into it, hard enough to snap it in half, it would not have remained in sutch a perfect rectangle shape. (the beam itself, not the edge that was cut... )
 
now, the 3 other circles dont mean anything to me, i was looking for a version of the picture without the circles, but i gave up... you cant really see the top of the circle on the left, the 3rd circle looks like it was just the top of the beam, and the one on the right you cant really see that well...
 
im looking for the video i spoke of earlier, where you can see debris flying back UP at about a 35 degree angle to hit wtc7.. altho it is finding harder then i remeber finding that specific camera angle...
 
in the meantime, since you seam to think nobody of any importance beleives this... here is a list of many well informed people who beleive.
 
 
and, a video of MIT Engineers dicusing the WTC collapse's ... you know, people who know what they are talking about
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Quote Verdant Force Replybullet Posted: 08/August/2007 at 8:33pm
i take that part about, with the picture... i was tottaly wrong on that one, i did no research on that prior to posting it.
 
turns out, after about a week, they sent some guys ahead of the heavy machines to cut up some stuff that was in the way... and there is no way to determine the date on this so, i take all that back... i DID do some heavy duty research, from some stuff from official sources. Goverment sites and whatnot, and the 911 commission report, and even some FAA sites... anyway, here goes
 
"We have determined that the impact time was 9:03:11 based on our analysis of FAA radar data and air traffic control software logic."
"AA Flight 11 died at 8:46:40 and UA Flight 175 at 9:03:11"
 

Impact 1 at North Tower - AA Flight 11
Time of impact|magnatude| Duration
08:46:26±2    | 0.9     | 12 seconds
 
Impact 2 at South Tower - UA flight 175
Time of impact|magnatude| Duration
09:02:54±2    | 0.7     | 6 seconds

so, do you understand this? the seismic records show that there was an "impact" before the plane hit the tower. now your probably just thinking, 'well, those times are off by a few seconds, no big deal'

but, the FAA followed the aircraft using Radar based upon microwaves that travel at the speed of light, there is not much room for error. Since the planes crashed at those times, the question is: What caused the seismic data say the times are 14 and 17 seconds earlier?  (plus or minus two seconds )
 
 
We also reviewed a report regarding seismic observations on September 11, 2001, whose authors conclude that the impact time of United 93 was "10:06:05±5 (EDT)"
ok, i cant find the 911 Commissions time for impact on the Pentagon... so il take it from the time of the black box recorder. the last second of recoring was at 09:37:44. ( i took that from the video on the 'Pilots for truth' site, that was originaly release by NIST ) ok, now to compare them to the stations that gather the data...
 
... after about 45 minuts of looking for the seismic data, the best i can find is in this PDF file
http://www.mgs.md.gov/esic/publications/download/911pentagon.pdf ( notice, this is goverment released )
all i can find for flight 93 is 'The seismic signal are relativly weak compared with background noise level.' and for the pentagon 'These waveform data indicate that we could not identify seismic signals associated with the plane impact into the pentagon on september 11,2001'
 
so, 2 airplanes hit the top of 2 towers and leave behind a 0.7 magnatude or greater earthquake impact, and two planes that hit on the ground level dont leave enough to be able to be accuretly identified?
 
now, this is my assumption, but shouldent the buildings have DAMPENED the impact? if the tower rocking back and foward from a plane impact would cause a seismic graf to register a 0.7 earthquake, wouldent wind set it off as well? ( to the lesser extent )
 
http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/LCSN/Eq/20010911_wtc.html
here is the Data on the building collapse's
First collapse - Soulth tower
9:59:04  | 2.1 | 10
 
Second collpase - North tower
10:28:31 | 2.3 | 8
 
Building 7
17:20:33 | 0.6 | 18
 
Quickly looking here, i see that building 7, made LESS of an earquake then EITHER of the impacts by the planes, how is that even possible?
 
and somehow, a 47 story building collapsing has a longer seismic activity then both the other towers put together. again, how is this possible?
 
... but its from a comfirmed source, so, you cant go against your official story right?
 
Preach, i just want to say, i appreciate you halting the insults.
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Quote Bluescales Replybullet Posted: 26/August/2007 at 4:30pm
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Afterwards, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for you to buy on the cheap!
 
Now are you willing to sell to minors?
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