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Quote NakataH Replybullet Posted: 24/October/2006 at 8:08am
i just stumbled across this on torrentspy, myabe you should read it :E

http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/35285/Someone_Should_Have_Assassinated_Bush
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Quote Jbanicar Replybullet Posted: 24/October/2006 at 2:51pm
 
Incase you missed it the first time:
 
Originally posted by Jbanicar

I guess it's the same old high school attitude; if the generaly opinion is one thing, then it's best to jump on the bandwagon to avoid offending your friends.  But you know what? that's ok, you do what you want, and believe what you want.  Nak, you are on to something in what you're saying: you're American, so you don't see it, you are easily lied to, you are blind, but how about the other way around, you're not American, and you have come to believe what you choose to believe, not based on anything factual, but just on hear se and personal bias. 
 
You talk about what the world belives, but you cannot honestly say you know what the entire world thinks.  Reading conspiracy theory sites and watching the news does not inform you any more than hearing it from a friend and believing him blindly.  The news captures a sound bite, a moment in time, and they show mass protestes on every issue, not just Bush, and you see that and think that's the world.  You read what I type, and ASSUME that I AM backing Bush, when all I was doing was pointing out BASELESS accusations.  Have you ever debated, like an honest debate?  You can't come to the table with "You're deaf, blind, and dumb" and expect anyone with a hint of common sense, to listen to you.  I was not backing Bush, and I was not saying that I agreed with ALL of Bush's policies, that was, again, your assumption, and your following replies show that you assume more than you think.  This is evident in how you copy/past everyone a piece of the Plege of Alliegence, when in England's own national anthem, they talk about God Save the Queen, and the majority of English people sing that with great national pride.  Don't come to me and talk about religion and show me my own pledge of alliegence, and then point a finger at me like I came to you thumping a Bible and yelling "GO BUSH!"
 
Every country, every nation has national pride, not just America; we are just the super power, the world's main producer of entertainment (movies, music, art, everything), so we are the easiest to spot.  Honestly, when are we not in the news?  New music, us, a new movie, us, etc, and yet you fail to recognise the diversity that we represent.  We are the world; an American is not an nationality of its own, it is just a conglomerate of the world.  English, German, Dutch, Spanish, Chinese, African, Lebanese, name any nationality, and you will find it here.  And to say that Americans have no understanding of the world is close minded. 
 
You must have a limited understanding of how the government works, its many different levels, organizations, representatives, its powers,  and the decision making process, to focal it all down to hatred against Bush.  All Bush is, is a name for you to wrap everything that you believe against a very easy person to take cheap shots at.  Honestly, how hard is it to attack Bush?  lol, this is sort of like picking on the lone Goth kids in high school.  How hard is that? and you're going to use "world hate" as a way of saying that all of the world are intelligent, smart people, who are informed, educated, and reasonable?  Have you looked around in your own country lately, and seen anyone that perfect?  I bet not, and you won't find those perfect people out in the world, either. 
 
Don't slant hate and insults with common sense, brand it with "THE WORLD", and bring it to me saying, oh look, see, they must be right... since when has the majority opinion ever been informed and correct?  Put it this way, if I come to you, and I say, in a loud voice, with many people around me (who are also saying similar but differently worded statements, at the same volume, in their own meaning and way and understanding), "You are a KILLER! You like Asian porn! YOu are Sweedish! You want to learn how to speak Arabic!! Bastard!" and 1/4 of those poins are factual, does that make me correct? or worth listening to? that is a far out example, but I am simply saying, just cause you see a large group, doesn't make them any more right than the next group, nor does news covereage.
 
You know what; I take pride in my country, as does any other common person take in their own nation.  It doesn't matter where you go, and if I feel patriotic when I hear the national anthem, good for me; I'm not preaching, and I certainly am not thinking, "Yeah, I'm better than Mongolia, suck it bitches."  that's your opinion, but that is not factual. 
 
I like Obama as well, Stair; I'm not exactly sure what he supports, but he comes across with a very even headed individual.  I'll have to look more into it in the coming future.
 
 
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Quote Stairway Replybullet Posted: 24/October/2006 at 4:05pm
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 I was talking to Nakatah regarding laziness.  Either way, not voting still shows that you're not motivated enough to try and change things, whether you want to or not, it still requires a vote to nudge it in your favor.  Even if you consider it an insignificant drop in the bucket, why not do what you can to elect the person who is most agreeable with you?  Personally, I find it disrespectful not to vote, but it's your right not to.


No it doesnt  mean Im not motivated enough to try and make a difference. I do things everyday, everything from community service (volunteer, not punishment) to raising money for charities for charity drive at school.  I honestly dont see how it is disrespectful for me not to vote, if there is no one running I respect or believe will help my community/country.  Like I said before, I think voteing is a good thing, I like living in a country where I can voice my opions and support who I wish.  For instance the govenor race right now here is just a mess, our current govenor is being looked at for some legal issuses much like our fomer govenor.  His opponent was the treasurer for the George Ryan (our past govenor, was convicted of bribery and rackaterring) and she may of had somthing to do with it.  Now I honestly can say that I would not like for either of those two people to
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Quote Strat Replybullet Posted: 24/October/2006 at 4:35pm
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Originally posted by AquaNox

 I was talking to Nakatah regarding laziness.  Either way, not voting still shows that you're not motivated enough to try and change things, whether you want to or not, it still requires a vote to nudge it in your favor.  Even if you consider it an insignificant drop in the bucket, why not do what you can to elect the person who is most agreeable with you?  Personally, I find it disrespectful not to vote, but it's your right not to.


No it doesnt  mean Im not motivated enough to try and make a difference. I do things everyday, everything from community service (volunteer, not punishment) to raising money for charities for charity drive at school.  I honestly dont see how it is disrespectful for me not to vote, if there is no one running I respect or believe will help my community/country.  Like I said before, I think voteing is a good thing, I like living in a country where I can voice my opions and support who I wish.  For instance the govenor race right now here is just a mess, our current govenor is being looked at for some legal issuses much like our fomer govenor.  His opponent was the treasurer for the George Ryan (our past govenor, was convicted of bribery and rackaterring) and she may of had somthing to do with it.  Now I honestly can say that I would not like for either of those two people to





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Quote AquaNox Replybullet Posted: 24/October/2006 at 5:00pm

 I like living in a country where I can voice my opions I dont get it, you say that you are glad that you live somewhere that you can voice your opinions and yet youre unwilling to do it by voting?  If you didnt know, there's always more than just two candidates.  While we are a two party system, there's other options, whether it be on the state or national level.  No candidate will ever have each and every belief, moral, or poitical view that you have, you just have to pick the one that you identify the closest with, no matter how far off that may be.

 
I honestly dont see how it is disrespectful for me not to vote, if there is no one running I respect or believe will help my community/country. 
You're still using it as a form of protest, which it isn't, but that's not what I was getting at.  I find it disrespectful to veterans and everyone enlisted in the armed forces, but that was my personal opinion, not a reason for you to vote. Choose to do whatever you want with voting, I just hope that you dont take it for granted. 
 
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Quote Fidelio Replybullet Posted: 24/October/2006 at 5:52pm
use it or lose it.
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Quote Stairway Replybullet Posted: 24/October/2006 at 6:14pm
Originally posted by AquaNox

 
I honestly dont see how it is disrespectful for me not to vote, if there is no one running I respect or believe will help my community/country. 
You're still using it as a form of protest, which it isn't, but that's not what I was getting at.  I find it disrespectful to veterans and everyone enlisted in the armed forces, but that was my personal opinion, not a reason for you to vote. Choose to do whatever you want with voting, I just hope that you dont take it for granted. 
 


I still dont understand how it is disrespectful.  When a soldier goes to war he is defending our ideals, our freedoms (which do include the right to vote).  When he is out on the frontlines I doubt he is  thinking about taking a bullet so some kid can vote for a president or another office, he is thinking about defending his homeland and all the good people who live there.

pro·test  - To object to, especially in a formal statement
Its not a protest Aqua, If I was protesting I would be walking down the streets caring a picket sign or going to anti war rallies instead of not voteing. Just voteing to vote is stupid, if you do'nt believe in someone then why would you want to help them?  Its just like those stupid "Vote or Die" Campaingns P. Diddy had last election, all those did was have kids vote because celebrities told them too.  When I vote I want it to mean somthing and not just because Paris Hilton said it was the cool thing to do.  
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Quote Tybox Replybullet Posted: 24/October/2006 at 6:21pm
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Originally posted by Tybox

 YOu my friend, should look into the word "principle."
 
I'm also rather cynical myself about the whole election process, but....you realize basically your grandparents and ours died to defend those rights to free elections? Ya know, a little ditty called WW2, where the Nazis were bombing the sh*t out of London, and the Japanese were making us nervous on the west coast.
 
WW2 was not as altruistic as some rose colored glasses may paint, but it sure as hell was more to the point and dire than the current Iraq debaccle. There was a serious threat to the free world from the Axis war machine, and for that, I feel honored my grandparents served.
 
I think England and the US STILL share this special bond from their days of WW2 pwnage, and I am proud of our work together.
 
So out of honor of those fallen, I think you may want to reconsider your stance.



thank you for proving my point
 
 
What are you talking about?
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Quote AquaNox Replybullet Posted: 24/October/2006 at 6:28pm
Stairway, youre completely missing the point.  If you want to argue semantics, go for it, but ive said what I wanted, im not going to argue the same points over and over while you form a rebuttal before you even comprehend what the words mean.
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Quote Stairway Replybullet Posted: 24/October/2006 at 7:16pm
Originally posted by AquaNox

Stairway, youre completely missing the point.  If you want to argue semantics, go for it, but ive said what I wanted, im not going to argue the same points over and over while you form a rebuttal before you even comprehend what the words mean.


Im not trying to agrue and I realize you have your views and opions on the matter and I respect that.  Believe it or not I have read everything you said and only respond to share my point of view.  I wont be posting on this matter again, doesnt seem like its going anywhere.
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